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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: What am i doing wrong? Reply with quote

Hi folks,
i have noticed that the overall sound of my recordings is not anywhere near as good as most on musicforte. I have checked out some threads and listened to peoples music who have been using comparative software etc. i must be doing something wrong. Anyone any ideas?

P.S. I am usins an Athlon XP 1800 CPU, Cakewalk Sonar, Edirol Orchestra, Edirol Super Quartet.

..........Cheers.........

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: What am i doing wrong? Reply with quote

HomeSongwriter wrote:
Hi folks,
i have noticed that the overall sound of my recordings is not anywhere near as good as most on musicforte. I have checked out some threads and listened to peoples music who have been using comparative software etc. i must be doing something wrong. Anyone any ideas?

P.S. I am usins an Athlon XP 1800 CPU, Cakewalk Sonar, Edirol Orchestra, Edirol Super Quartet.

..........Cheers.........

http://www.musicforte.com/member/homesongwriter Crying or Very sad



Just a thought

Itīs really a bit frustrating to remember the old days when I had some small (but important though) problems to understand not to put my nose into other peopleīs decisions, how they wanted to live, act, and so on. I am happy that I have changed on that a long time ago, but I guess the treatment of me as a person can be a part of it....to "hit" from the ground can create the most strange people in life..

Furthermore, I am happy to have been given the gift to value other people and their "makings", to feel honnest happiness when something goes straight for them. Jealousy is not for me and have never been, I donīt think I know what that is.

Year after Year I have been through that one of my childs has been bullyied, watched and listened to all these words they told her in school, all these harassments and as a final end her behaviour against the world depended on a functional disability she still has.

I am really happy that I donīt suffer from loss of compassion so that I have to use it against someone, as I know the pain.... The only time itīs ok to harass is as a defence against yourself.

To make music is a kind of expression, and promote yourself is not only about trusting others or not, maybe it can be of economical reasons, maybe it can be of personal reasons - something the person wants to show oneself, maybe of other reasons. I donīt know...but I donīt think so much of such things. When I see a good music site, I use to listen to the music and artists and I donīt bother them with questions in how they are promoting themselves, as this doesnīt interest me as a listener/buyer.

Listen to this track....""I Need To Wake Up"......maybe there are some people out there willing to discover how they are acting?

http://www.melissaetheridge.com/main.php

/Sivan
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: What am i doing wrong? Reply with quote

HomeSongwriter wrote:
Hi folks,
i have noticed that the overall sound of my recordings is not anywhere near as good as most on musicforte. I have checked out some threads and listened to peoples music who have been using comparative software etc. i must be doing something wrong. Anyone any ideas?

P.S. I am usins an Athlon XP 1800 CPU, Cakewalk Sonar, Edirol Orchestra, Edirol Super Quartet.

..........Cheers.........

http://www.musicforte.com/member/homesongwriter Crying or Very sad


Hey Mate,

The quality of your sound recording depends on many different factors. Without knowing further details of your current setup here a few things for consideration based on my assumptions:

- Monitoring your mix. The way you hear your tracks when mixing them down influences strongly the outcome. There is alot that can be corrected at mastering time but a missing sub frequency or a muddled mix is hard to EQ and master to a punchy track. Make sure you are using a quality set of studio monitors. Standard PC speakers won't do it. They simply don't have the dynamic range needed. I suggest doing some research online. I personally use a Klipsch THX 2.1 setup. It's not a true monitor system but it works well with the acoustics in my environment. In additional I use a Sony MDR-7506 studio headset for that surgical touch.

- Base material. A thin recording that sounds tinny or is lacking dynamics will produce a thin mix. If you record instruments and/or voice ensure to use an appropriate mic. Mics are a science all their own and there are several choices for each instrument as well as for voice recording. A solid overall choice for voice is the Shure SM58. Clear reproduction and a good range make this a choice for many live singers.

- Samples. If you use samples and loops check that they are at least 16Bit/44KHz. Everything below is good for lo-fi, crunchy mixes but not for the type of studio production you may be looking for. Ideally you would want to go with 24Bit/96Khz loops.

- Layering. When you mix down your track pay attention to the upper and lower frequencies. This ties directly in to a good monitoring setup. You don't want your bass to sound muddy while at the same time you also don't want to drown your mids and thin out your highs. An even mix is desirable and provides a good base for mastering.

- Mastering. It is always a good idea to have the final master done by an experienced engineer. I master many of my tracks myself but I also have a good friend of mine who is an experienced Engineer and has worked on studio productions. If you enjoy fiddling around for hours or even days to get that clean shiny master have a look at iZotopes's Ozone 3. This is an affordable mastering suite that plugs-in to your host via VST. I use it and I am very happy with it.

I hope this helps a bit. Feel free to get into more details if needed.

Thorsten
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Forums are for all thing's Reply with quote

Hi Sivan,
You kinda lost me there! I put the thread out to learn about mixing from people who are obviously very good at it. If a forum like this isnt good for learning from different people about different aspects of music i.e. mixing, recording, guitars, vocals etc then what good would that be? Its nothing to do with Socrates, its admiting that you dont know everything you would like to.

"Pride comes before a fall" (me)
Anyway good luck Sivan.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Word. Reply with quote

I think the best way to accomplish what you're looking for is to find some music that you like, and listen to each piece of it. Listen to each instrument, and then DO that.

Also, make sure everything is lined up to the grid, nice and tight.

But as for mixing, my stuff STILL lags, and the reason why is BECAUSE it's my music. There may be one or two great artists out there (hell, maybe more) that can do it, but I still can't. I'm the writer and musician, but the rest, well, belongs to someone else.

Also, look at the hundreds of people that have their hands on major artist's stuff. That's what it takes. All those ears and hands in the kitchen to bring forth those tasty morsels.....

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Home Recording Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your time, I will take all of the advice on board.



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen to my stuff and take it for what it's worth..... Rolling Eyes I gave another listen. As well as turning up the vocals....... Try using some panning to give each instrument some "space" you could also do it with some eqing of each track a little different so that they all have a space in the frequency range. Also I think you are over compressing. I'm not sure. I would have to listen for about another 20 minutes to figure it out. The sound of the chorus effect starting one of the songs was a clue. I hate compression. You need a little to make it loud, but over doing it ruins all of the expression of the song (My own opinion) Another thing is the reverb. Maybe back it off a little. It's all trial and error at this (my) level. Try it! If it is better, go from there. Also, what sample rate is your mp3 file? Maybe up it a little. That could account for some of the compression. Play with the levels on mixing. The guitar tracks seem a little over bearing (to me). Like I said..... I'm just a dumb drummer........ but, I know what "I" like. Hope that is what you were looking for.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Mixing Reply with quote

Hi Sam,
I listened to your stuff and it sounds great, very atmospheric, it seems to be exactly what i am missing. I will try the changes you recomended. The sample rate of the MP3's are 44khz and the Bit rate is 128kbps.

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i second that iZotopes's Ozone 3 comment. it really comes in handy, i definitely recommend it for mastering.
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