Indie Music

GregK · Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:

EXCELLENT POINT!! -of course, I thank God that Elvis had the suit- in today's day we would be watching fat Elvis shakin' it in a pair of calvin klein briefs.. Shocked

-now THERE is an image that is just WRONG.
But- remember..Elvis had the whole hip-swinging-garden-hose down the trousers thing going on. So we are back to flashing a little skin- or adding some bit of risque' to the music- (don't worry folks, I'm not going to do it until I sweat off those last few tubs of ben & jerry's!) back to the question
SO NOW, IS IT NECESSARY TO HAVE SOME GIMMICK -SEXY OR OTHERWISE?? - I remember that Steely Dan made it HUGE and for the first (oh I dunno- decade- at least) nobody really saw any of their faces and they didn't play ANY concerts- (now they do) -think about this- no gimmicks..just music (ahem- advertising slogan..I want some royalty pay for this idea!) NO GIMMICKS..JUST MUSIC.. OMIGOD..IS IT POSSIBLE??

artpaul · Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject:

I guess you're right there are some bands that do it but can you name any these days ?

Personally I take The Rutles as an example to us all that you don't need talent if you are funny.So if you can't sing or play very good make sure it's funny.

(oh btw greg I won't be posting any more today because it has said I exceded the amount I'm suppose to have for one day)

Mphatic · Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:

OK - So now we have to be even more extreme to get noticed and people who are not musicians make music and sell it by the truckloads.... Silenced

Oh yeah...maybe all the A&R people now work for the same companies - so we have less and less people willing to take a chance on new artists and sounds/styles....Too many mergers and acquisitons?? fooled

Also the music industry dug itself into a nice little hole with their online ignorance and arrogance...I cant believe a computer hardware company now has the biggest music sales website in the world - iTunes...also look what they did to Prince or whatever his name is...thank god for MusicForte...and Greg!
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Last - Mr Moderator - Reconsiderate - why is there a post limit on these pages - Im sure none of us are going to spam it up - if we do delete or trash our stuff... spammer

Id like to hear more from some of these peeps about topics but having to wait seems silly..the conversation ebbs rather than flows...
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Oh well - once again rant over..but its your guys fault - you pushed my buttons!! whip

ouch!!

Cheers

Reconsiderate · Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:

Mphatic · Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

Totally understand - some of these conversations are fairly deep - I wonder if the post limit could be increased or varied as you show your responsibilty or style does not conflict with the aims of the forums..

I'll stop now as I dont want to get off topic too much...

Thanks

Mphatic · Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:37 am Post subject:

GregK · Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:01 am Post subject:

You see.. it CAN be about music- and work! There are also some of Music's 'working class heroes'- Bob Dylan, Springsteen, Mellencamp, Tom petty and neil young all made it to their heights on how their MUSIC was- and no not EVERY song was a good song. Hell, some had whole ALBUMS that didn't sell as well- but they kept playing- kept writing and kept singing- even though they didn't look all that great, even though they didn't have the best voice- even though they could not dance well. they had a sense of honesty in their music that was needed at the time. I would not be surprised if this same type of "anti-package" becomes desirable amongst a lot of people again. The people may get tired of the boy bands or Britney-esque pre-packaged song and dance routine with it's flash, glossy productions and want to just have a guy with a guitar singing good songs again. I think that with the popularity of guys like Coldplay or James Blunt that people are slowly turning back to the music and away from the glitz. Don't get me wrong- we will always need music to dance to whether it be techno, or electronica, or disco or whatever- we will always need a few new "fun-party" songs but I think that maybe this needs to be balanced with a few more "singer-songwriter' types in the mainstream media as well. What do you think?

Mphatic · Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:24 am Post subject:

LOL I just cant imaine any o these guys singing the "lumberjack song" to get famous.

yep credibility ...musical and ethically..very important..they all had it..

Flashy = trashy sometimes...there seems tobe a swing back to guitars big time - and if Cold Play is any indication "real bands"..

At this rate ELP will be reintoduced in some format...that would be great..

Or is music the next big "reality TV show"? who is that new band doing what INXS did last year..- oh yeah - Supernova...

Im finding it a little boring this year...nevertheless its great to see a live band and singer on the box!!

wonder what the ratings are like...

Kotrof_Wizzard · Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:02 am Post subject:

I love this forum stuff, and the set topics,...but I`d really like to see a chat room (for the musicians anyway)...I`m not particularly keen on hearing how much my music sucks, or that I should be beheaded for uploading "Dead Babies", but realtime chat I think might help alot of us with collaboration and such.....just a thought....peace out....Drop The Sun

artpaul · Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:34 am Post subject:

GregK · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:55 am Post subject:

Anyhow- getting back to the topic of rock heroes- are they still around.. well, not ALL of them are freaks- look at some of the "joe everyman" rock heroes like Neil Young, Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen- the big gimmick of some of these guys is there IS no gimmick- just fun songs or poignant statements. So- anybody recently that seems to be stepping up to the plate?

artpaul · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:33 am Post subject:

GregK · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

A part of YOU has to just love the guys who can't sing or play very well who have made it to the top of the pile. It gives us all some hope that if we don't sing very well, can't play very well or if we don't bathe for a month that maybe we can STILL make it! - ok..in all seriousness- I gotta admit that I can only take some of these guys in small doses- but, mind you I love their works or their lyrics- I REALLY like it when someone ELSE does a Dylan or Neil Young song and gives it that good singing voice that really does it some justice. I have to admit that sometimes the "gimmick" is much more sublime- like when grunge first hit and I looked at some of these bands on tv and I said "dirty hair, mumbled vocals and clothes from the Sears catalog circa 1976.. and people WANT THIS??"- mind you, that was when I first saw it- and then somehow it became cool. (maybe this is an area for another post- when does "dumb" become "cool" and when does "cool" suddenly become "dumb" again?)

Reconsiderate · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

MrsPeabody · Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: